Is there a wireless doorbell camera available WITHOUT being on the network?


Coloradogeek

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Most of the more reputable vendors have some decent wireless cameras, but you’re going to spend big bucks on them in a lot of cases for wireless with all the features.  I’ve deployed several smaller cases using Netcam Studio and a basic Windows system using late model low cost IP cameras.  You don’t need a lot for a couple of streams, and the software’s purchase price is well worth it if you set up a small cluster of cameras for monitoring. The software supports one source for free “out of the box.”

It is self-hosted though, so obvious downsides if it goes awry, but it’s a good alternative in a world full of premarked boxes and questionable quality.


spicehead-Greg

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Create a different wireless network with nothing but cameras on it, not even internet.  Of course, if you do not connect it to your network in any way, you’ll have to sit at the server to do anything.  But maybe that is what you want?


AdmiralKirk

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What about adding a separate SSID just for the camera?  With a little bit of networking magic you can give it its own isolated network, internet-connection, and viewable via the manufacturer’s web portal.  SkyBell has a pretty inexpensive unit that could handle that function:

spicehead-Greg​ The problem there is multiple sites, a lack of extra switches, and our network guy comes in once a week. I am taking networking classes, but that will take time. I also could be completely misinterpreting what you are saying. Thank you for the answer!

AdmiralKirk​, I will talk to the Network guy. It seems that will have to be the case the more I read in to this. Thank you for the advice!


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AdmiralKirk​, I will talk to the Network guy. It seems that will have to be the case the more I read in to this. Thank you for the advice!

It just occurred to me that your $800 per site price probably includes
installation and configuration. All told, this is not a bad number.
Yes, it sucks to cough up that much money when in our minds we think ‘I can buy this hardware for $200,” but we often forget about the ten hours we would have to invest in implementation.  On top of that you have someone else you can call if something goes awry, rather than being the one receiving that call.

If your vendor’s solution integrates with your existing camera / door system, even better since you won’t be adding another system to manage and upon which to train users.


ChrisN315

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A wireless camera still needs to be hooked up on a network unless it’s an analog only.

Get an IP / PoE camera – I recommend something like the 

Hikvision DS-2CD2142FWD-I 4MP (about $120) and get it set up with a static IP address on your network.
(Axis is a non-Chinese brand, but a bit pricier, if that’s a concern)

Setup a browser to login (The HIKVISION uses IE11 with a plug-in, Axis works with any browser)
OR
Setup VLC Media Player (Free) with the network stream address – rtsp://<user>:<password>[at]<IP of camera>/(path to stream)

That’s it.  You can then have the camera in view, at all times, available on multiple screens. 

If recording is necessary, you can insert a microSD card in most new cameras and then recording and review can be done in-camera.
Other options: set up VLC to record, us any one of a number of free recording solutions, tie it into an existing recording system or buy / build one.

I just realized that my solution is a bit more technical than most, but it’s really not all that hard.  Mounting the camera and running the cable are probably the hardest parts, IMO.


jma89.tk

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How far is the front door from the office?

You may be able to get away with something like a baby video monitor. Not necessarily as sleek, but who says the doorbell, camera, and intercom all have to be the same hunk of hardware?

(That said: Do the doorbell, intercom, and camera have to all be the same hardware? I’m assuming you already have an intercom and doorbell, so all you really need is a camera.)


KevinB85

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Might look up Ubiquiti, they have cameras too!

Do as AdmiralKirk​ said and have them connect to a SSID on a seperate VLAN that goes nowhere!


molan

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Does it need to be a doorbell (I assume you want someone to push the button and have it ring) or can you just have a camera so they can see the front door?

Would something like this work? https://github.com/mattolan/RT_OD You could use any camera with a RTSP support and setup to have someone alerted if a person is detected in frame.  You can define to only alert if they walk into a specific area defined by a box in the video feed

Side note a lot of the consumer wireless camera’s rely on a could service to function and send the alerts. You could setup a separate wifi network as suggested, but you would need internet to get the alerts and view the video feeds.


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AdmiralKirk​, I will talk to the Network guy. It seems that will have to be the case the more I read in to this. Thank you for the advice!

It just occurred to me that your $800 per site price probably includes
installation and configuration….

I would think that it does not include anything but the hardware.

Mine is zwave instead of wifi.  It’s part of an alarm package.  The alarm panel is a wifi-zwave hub basically for the interface between smart home speakers and zwave devices.  So my google home can see my thermostat, doorbell, deadbolt, smoke alarms, window and motion sensors… there’s invisible rules in the panel so google can lock the door but cannot unlock it or disarm the system.  in theory I suppose it is plausible to be hacked somehow.  I guarantee someone at the alarm company knows how to send a command to the panel to disarm and unlock the door.  Actually, I think the police have checked my house for a false alarm once and had no problem entering the house without kicking the door down so I’m very certain the alarm company can let people in.


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Jim6795

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If it were me, I’d look at this:

Even as a POC, which you could still use as needed elsewhere.

(NOT shilling for WM, y’all!!!  Just a handy link with a low price.)

If you really want to keep The Great Unmasked at bay, use this for your Audio Out at the camera:

And for added effect, just clamp one of these around the Tesla Coil:

Since you’re in a school, get the brighter STEM students involved.  And not just for the free labor!!!

ETA:  Sorry, I couldn’t find the price for that plasma speaker kit until *after* I posted that.  EEEEK!!  It’s quite spendy, for a toy gimmick!!!  Maybe get the schematic for $20 and turn your STEM students loose on it as a project…?

OTOH, everything I just listed, *including* the plasma speaker, still comes in under the $800 price you mentioned, so…?

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AnthonyTechGuy

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Think ahead 3-5 years.  Is the solution your considering going to account for the increasing nature of Internet Of Things.

Internet Of Things = This is why we have a separate SSID that’s isolated, on a separate Subnet & VLAN, with a one way road to the Internet. No network functionality.


Deank321

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Vlan it off your main network, use a Dream Machine pro to store the video data. 

I understand your security concern, but keep in mind, some targets….are not worth the trouble. 

I was thinking along these lines too, but that would be a lot of hardware for a doorbell, and the cost gets to be a bit much. $200 for the doorbell, $379 for the UDMP, $100 for a drive for storage, small UPS and cabling…

That said, I do have a UDMP at home with a couple access points and a few UniFi cameras and it’s been a lot of fun to mess around with. I’m not a networking noob, but I’ve never had anything this nice to play with at home. Been thinking about getting the doorbell.


Ethan

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I second the UniFi doorbell with the Dream Machine Pro.

molan​ yes, it definitely has to be an intercom with video capability. The intercom is the most important part, as they want to be able to asses whether or not they can help the individual with or without physical contact. The camera I feel is for their piece of mind, but also so they have a visual cue when someone is there. 

That makes a lot of sense. In our current set up, we are undermanned, and we have an outside vendor that has a person on site once a week for network related things. Our security cams are on a different VLAN as well. I do like the idea for even a separate IOT VLAN with very stringent communication. I am currently studying for my Network+ so I can stop being the question so much, and be a bigger part of the solution.

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